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Good morning[edit]

I took several pictures and I do not know how to license them. In general, I am the copyright holder. Is it possible after the administration has decided to license these pictures?

Category:Abdel Naser Abdel Fatah

Paula Fenness (talk) 03:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paula Fenness: Please see the information given on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Currently viewing. Paula Fenness (talk) 11:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1934 painting by Georgia O'Keeffe[edit]

File:19 - ofty8zO (50062828047).jpg, transferred from Flickr where it was uploaded with a bogus CC licence, is actually a 1934 painting by American painter Georgia O'Keeffe, titled Purple Hills Ghost Ranch - 2 / Purple Hills No II per [1]. I'm not sure, is this copyrighted in the US, or is it some kind of PD-no-notice/-not-renewed? I couldn't find it with a quick search at [2], but would like to make sure if we can keep the file or need to delete it for a few more years. --Rosenzweig τ 21:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same for File:64 - YZ9s7jg (50062578451).jpg, a 1939 painting by O'Keeffe titled White Bird of Paradise per [3]. --Rosenzweig τ 21:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is also the issue of publication; Regarding the 1934 painting, its early exhibitions were:
1935 New York (An American Place), nos. 27 or 28, as Red Hill form--Bad Lands, New Mexico
1936 New York (An American Place), no. 7, as Dark Hills, Ghost Ranch, New Mexico
1938 Williamsburg ?
1988 Phoenix, no. 22
So if it was not catalogued with a reproduction, it would have to have been exhibited without any steps taken to prevent copying for it to count as publication. Felix QW (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The second painting linked was only exhibited once at An American Place in 1940, and then not exhibited again until 2009 (https://collections.okeeffemuseum.org/object/1148/#about-this-object-details).
It seems from the MoMa records of other O'Keeffe paintings as if the "An American Place" exhibitions were not catalogued, and took place in a commercial gallery, so it is conceivable that they were not "published" until after formalities had been abolished.
Indeed, the link posted above from the print shop gives a 2009 copyright date for the White Bird of Paradise and a 1997 copyright date for the 1934 painting, and that does seem plausible to me. In that case, the paintings would be copyrighted until 2056. Felix QW (talk) 19:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Displaying an artwork in a commercial gallery usually means that is being offered to the public for purchase, which makes it an act of publication. Toohool (talk) 20:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point! I always thought that copies would have to have been offered rather than merely the original, but COM:Publication does mention that sale of the original would be sufficient. @Clindberg: Do you have any insight that could help with this situation? I usually refer to your posts whenever there is a complex question of early US publication... Felix QW (talk) 13:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that these two paintings were sold by Alfred Stieglitz' An American Place Gallery in New York in the 1930s (or 1940), and therefore might be in the public domain (in the US) as I could not find a registration for copyright. So we can probably keep the files. --Rosenzweig τ 20:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Early Mickey Mouse intertitles[edit]

Hello there! I have found File:Title - The Mad Doctor.png is in the public domain as it was not renewed. The intertitle/title card is the same used in many early Mickey Mouse cartoons. Since this design is already public domain, could I upload the other ones (only title differs)? I have already done that for the 1929 intertitles which are essentially the same as those of 1928 (category:Mickey Mouse intertitles) Bedivere (talk) 00:36, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think these intertitles are public domain, only changing their title. I will upload them later. The worst that could happen is getting them deleted Bedivere (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emergency Broadcast System[edit]

Hello, I'm looking to upload videos from television in the 20th century about the Emergency Broadcast System, I'm curious what the copyright status is of recordings like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m9cIdlXyao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQrC1V5TMlU

Are these in the public domain (made by US Gov) or are the property of the TV stations?

Thanks! Victorgrigas (talk) 15:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking just at the first one: probably created by the TV station; probably not up to the U.S. threshold of originality in any respect, so I'd guess they are in the public domain on that basis. I'm not sure we have a tag for sub-TOO videos, can anyone suggest one? - Jmabel ! talk 19:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cofradía Botillo OTRS[edit]

There are some pics in Category:Botillo that do not have a proper OTRS attribution:

Derivative pictures:

-- Carnby (talk) 18:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably User:FCPB is someone from Foro Cultural Provincia de El Bierzo. But, yes they should go through VRT (formerly OTRS) and explain how they come to control the copyright on the materials they are licensing. FCPB, do you have any problem doing that? - Jmabel ! talk 19:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Por supuesto, User:FCPB es una persona del Foro Cultural Provincia de El Bierzo. Pero, sí debe enviar e-corroe al equipo VRT (ex-OTRS) para explicar como pasaba que el (o ella) controlla los derechos del autor pare las materias para cuales ofrecen una licencia. FCPB, ¿hay algún problema en hacerlo? - Jmabel ! talk 19:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posting PD images from websites with Terms of Use that state "no commercial use"[edit]

I notice the Commons has many PD images attributed to Worthpoint.com (some by me). However, is it permissible to post images found on websites with Terms of Use that forbid commercial use? Worthpoint's Terms of Use state: 'WorthPoint grants you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable, single-member license to access and use the content on the websites, the Price Guide, Marks, and/or any related mobile applications, and the services for personal research purposes only. Under no circumstances shall you use any content (except content submitted by you) for any commercial use. “Commercial Use” means any use that yields a profit or monetizes in any way the use of the content. Online or other republication of content is prohibited.' Clearly, posting on the Commons does not constitute commercial use. But what if someone uses such an image, believing it is free of any restrictions, for commercial purposes? Bixly777 (talk) 04:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on whether the source website is recording the licence correctly (many sites apply more restrictive terms than they can enforce). If the files are definitely public domain then we can ignore the copyright restrictions the website tries to impose. If, however, the files are not public domain then it is possible that the website's restriction do apply. Any files that can't meet the requirements of COM:L must be deleted. If you can link to some example images, we can take a look. From Hill To Shore (talk) 04:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates "PD-US-no notice" and "PD-US-1978-89" for old newspapers[edit]

I wanted to clarify how the templates "PD-US-no notice" (This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published in the United States between 1929 and 1977, inclusive, without a copyright notice.) and "PD-US-1978-89" (This work is in the public domain because it was published in the United States between 1978 and March 1, 1989 without a copyright notice, and its copyright was not subsequently registered with the U.S. Copyright Office within 5 years.) work in regard to copyright notices. They are used for the images [4] and [5], both of which are images published in old newspapers. There is no copyright notice on the page of the images or on any of the other pages in the newspaper. To me, it seems that they should be in public domain but I wanted to confirm since I have not worked with these templates before. This is being discussed at [6]. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Phlsph7: Replied in the linked discussion. You should probably indicate there that you have canvassed here. - Jmabel ! talk 16:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help! I left a link there to the discussion here. Phlsph7 (talk) 07:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the licence ?[edit]

Hello, I work actually on the first Nightwish's albums and I've found this [picture]. I would like to know what is the licence and if it is okay for Wikipédia ? Thank you in advance Vmv2705 (talk) 15:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vmv2705: Artist xuvi lives in Finland, which joined the Berne Convention 1 April 1928 per COM:FINLAND, so their work is copyrighted. The original YouTube poster's account has been terminated. So barring permission via VRT, we can't accept it on Commons but see en:WP:F.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 16:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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CAN I? Sdcardp2 (talk) 16:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sdcardp2: absolutely no idea. Can you link to what you are talking about so that someone has a chance to answer your question accurately? - Jmabel ! talk 16:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valid License Template[edit]

I want to upload a portrait from the NPG in London. It if freely available using the license: CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 DEED Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported If I try uploading the file, the range of licenses to choose from doesn't include this one. If I try to enter my own description of the license I get an error message saying that "The wikitext you entered doesn't contain a valid license template." Can anyone please tell me what I should enter? Jgdc47B (talk) 10:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jgdc47B: That is a licence we can't accept. Per COM:L images uploaded here must be available for commercial reuse and also allow derivatives. From Hill To Shore (talk) 12:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jgdc47B: What's the URL of the NPG page about the image? The have a habit of applying licences to out-of-copyright artworks, so the image may be PD. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp132030/reginald-campbell-thompson Jgdc47B (talk) 09:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As From Hill To Shore says above, we cannot accept the NC-ND license, but if the work is by an author who died before 1954 AND was published before 1929, we can accept it as public domain. Abzeronow (talk) 17:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that very useful info. Unfortunately the work was published in 1934. Jgdc47B (talk) 09:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jgdc47B: See also the justification for this at COM:LJ.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 23:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image of the Indian High Commission in Islamabad[edit]

I want to upload an image of the Indian High Commission in Islamabad but I am unaware if this is able to be put on Wikimedia Commons per licensing. The link here is the official website of the High Commission and contains images of the high commission building. MrGreen1163 (talk) 23:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrGreen1163: That page has a copyright notice and no indication of any free-licensing at all. Why do you think these images might be eligible for Commons? - Jmabel ! talk 01:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to understand why this image is not copyrighted[edit]

Hi there, I came across a renaming request for this file, and I'm trying to understand why this image would be PD. There's a fair amount of license text, but strikes me as odd that such an image would be released like that. Milliped (talk) 12:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Before the U.S. joined the Berne Convention in March 1989, they required a copyright notice to be placed on each distributed copy of a work, otherwise copyright would be lost. While that is a somewhat nervous here given the Smiths are a British band, and Paul Cox is a British photographer, the publicity photo was distributed by Sire Records, a U.S. company. The country of origin is the country of first publication, so unless there was a previous publication of that photo outside the US, it is public domain in the U.S. It is definitely still copyrighted in the UK, and most if not all of Europe. Most of the permission text is not relevant, as it refers to generalities and not specifically why this photo is PD, but the copyright tag does state the only way it could be public domain. You could try to regain copyright by registering the work among other steps, but I don't find a record for this photo (I do see one photo registered by Paul Cox, and a number of registrations by Sire Records Company, but not this one). The file File:The Smiths (1984 Sire publicity photo) 001.jpg, a similar publicity photo, does contain some text which states that a copyright search was done (though does not mention the names searched for); that could be helpful to add here. Carl Lindberg (talk) 12:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Milliped Many old Publicity photographs are Public Domain in the USA due to old copyright formalities. Studios / companies didn't tend to put notices on to these photos which were sent out to media organizations to promote a subject. They wanted these photos to go far and wide and were happy to see them re-published in newspapers and such. In this case, Sire Records, an American record label had released these photos of The Smiths to promote one of their albums. Because the photo did not include a copyright notice or registration within 5 years, it fell into the Public Domain in the USA. This was common for music & television publicity photos up until around 1985 when notices really started showing up. You can find some stuff before & after that year which did and didn't include notices. 1985 is just the year where it seems most companies became more aware of Copyright rules. If any evidence can be found it was first published in the UK or was registered, of course then it would change things. Currently there is no evidence of such. I hope this helps to clarify. PascalHD (talk) 23:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"first published in the UK" would have to be at least 30 days before U.S. publication, because otherwise they are considered simultaneous. - Jmabel ! talk 01:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beach scene - the foreshore[edit]

File:Beach scene - the foreshore, © Britten Pears Arts.jpg

What do we make of the above? It's an embroidery by a UK citizen who died in 1943. Is it sufficiently flat to be considered "2D"? It also incudes a frame and the file name incudes "©". Do we need permission from the photographer? Or simply to crop out the frame and rename? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The embroidery would probably be classed as a "work of artistic craftsmanship" (see COM:FOP UK). My view of the frame is that it is rather utilitarian in nature and not subject to its own copyright. The photographer will have a copyright though as they chose the angle at which to shoot the frame and embroidery (which may have produced shadows under different lighting conditions). From Hill To Shore (talk) 14:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pigsonthewing UK-wise, I think this is fine. The frame seems utilitarian. The photograph appears to not be copyrightable under UK law as stated in Sheridan: it is not the "author’s own intellectual creation"; and it is shot head-on (so I don't see any creative choices being made). The UK copyright of the embroidery itself expired in 2014.
US-wise, I think it's problematic. The frame and photo are both fine. But the embroidery itself is likely still copyrighted until 95 years after publication (so 2027, if we assume the work was immediately published). The only situation where it would be in the public domain in the US now is if it was published in the US within 30 days of publication in the UK, and the US publication failed to comply with the required formalities. —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Limiting the question to Is it sufficiently flat to be considered "2D"? - I'd be inclined to say that it is. This work is no more three-dimensional than an impasto oil painting; there isn't any meaningful creative work involved in photographing it. Omphalographer (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Saugata Roy MP.jpg[edit]

This isn't {{PD-US}}. Is it {{GODL-India}}, or something else, or a copyvio? (I don't know much about GODL-India, hence my coming here...) —‍Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to be {{GODL-India}}, which should also make it PD in the U.S., so OK for Commons. - Jmabel ! talk 22:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be a SD|F1 instead?[edit]

I submitted this [7]on April 13th. The mascot was copyrighted by the Atlanta Olympic Committee. See page 130 of the linked Olympic Report. Thanks, -- Ooligan (talk) 01:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ooligan: Which "this"?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 04:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, @Jeff G., the DR is above now. -- Ooligan (talk) 05:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since the issue you've raised is the possibility that the file is a derivative work of non-free content, the appropriate speedy deletion process for an obvious instance of non-free derivative work would be F3, not F1, except F3 specifically says not to use it for photographs taken in a public place. Choosing to use a DR was the right choice. Due to the current backlog of DRs, it might take a few more weeks before your DR is processed. —RP88 (talk) 15:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your detailed explanation @RP88. Best Regards, -- Ooligan (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where can I find the Title of Images (in the Context of Attribution)[edit]

Pre-version-4.0 CC licenses require the use of the image title as part of the attribution line. I therefore have a question:

What is the "title" of images on Wikimedia Commons?

Consider, for example, this image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:61-0324_Boeing_KC-135R_Stratotanker_take_off_March_ARB_020323.jpg

Is the title simply the file name "File:61-0324 Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker take off March ARB 020323.jpg"?

The image was originally sourced from Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kitmasterbloke/52829907803

Here, the title is explicit: "61-0324 Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker take off March ARB 020323" Michael Weinold (talk) 05:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the file name really is the title - is it legitimate to shorten it? Some images have rather lengthy filenames:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EGUN_-_Boeing_KC-135R_Stratotanker_-_United_States_Air_Force_-_60-0344_D_(30333795298).jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Weinold (talk • contribs) 05:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WW2 copyright status[edit]

I was wodering about coyright status of postcards published durig the World War 2. For example: a postcard published in the town of, let's say, Třinec that in the early 1939 was a part of Poland, later that year was unilaterally incorporated into Germany during the war, and since 1945 belonged to the Czechoslovakia (now Czechia). Should I apply current German copyright law (70 years since anonymous publication; {{PD-Germany-§134-KUG}}), Polish, as the annexation was not universally recognised (no clear copyright claim made before 1994: {{PD-Poland}}/{{PD-PRL}}), Czech (50 years since anonymous publication: {{PD-anon-70-CZ}}), Czechoslovak ({{PD-Czechoslovakia-anon}}) or something else? Every possible way indicates that the anonymous postcards will be in the public domaine but I still have to apply one licencing template and I don't know which one. Aʀvєδuι + 07:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not apply all three? You can add an explanation for reusers about the unusual copyright situation and then show them all three templates to demonstrate it is PD regardless of the European jurisdiction. However, have you considered US copyright? Postcards published in 1945 may have US copyright protection until 1 January 2041. From Hill To Shore (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant copyright law is generally the modern jurisdiction of the place of first publication. In this case, it would have been PD in the Czech Republic in 1996 due to the validity of the 50-year term of Czechoslovak law. This makes it PD in the US. It is presently in the public domain in the Czech republic per {{PD-anon-70-CZ}} (or {{PD-anon-70-EU}} — I am actually not sure why we have a separate Czech template for this). So to me, the correct combination would be {{PD-Czechoslovakia-anon}} and either of the two templates linked above. Felix QW (talk) 09:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
{{PD-Germany-§134-KUG}} is completely wrong, that is not for random postcards, but only for works "published by a legal entity under public law". Which are not as common as many people seem to think. --Rosenzweig τ 00:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Summary box with links[edit]

File:LakeMohonkTennis.jpg This image is used in the WP article "Paul Martin (illustrator)." I wrote all of the description's text. Is it correct how the image from Wayback Machine is in the slot "Other versions." Its purpose is as a backup. Also, is it correct how the "Vintage postcard" was inserted in the author line. It shows just how the tennis courts looked when the photo was originally taken. The same footbridge is in both at the far left edge (hard to spot). Thanks. JimPercy (talk) 15:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for uploading this image! I rearranged it a bit to where I would have put that information; feel free to revert if you prefer your previous arrangement. Felix QW (talk) 15:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Felix QW: Okay, but I don't spot any changes. The reason that the last part in Author is put in that spot is because of the tie-in to the word "footbridge." For simplicity. I wonder if that URL link in "Other Info" would be more complete in the long version.
Namely, https://web.archive.org/web/20220104054623/https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51835959831_9b5a50b086_h.jpg JimPercy (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I must have forgotten to submit the changes. I would not have put the additional information in the author field, but it is absolutely no big deal. I'd say, if you think it makes sense there, just leave it where it is. Felix QW (talk) 18:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks for looking at it. I will leave it as is (with those changes). Oh, I was just guessing what you might want to change (re: author field extension). JimPercy (talk) 19:43, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Felix QW: Update. I made a couple adjustments. I think, as was suggested. JimPercy (talk) 23:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How can I verify that a Wikimedia Commons image is public domain and freely licensed?[edit]

I wish to use this Wikimedia Commons image File:Battle-of-Ager-Sanguinis.jpg on the cover of my forthcoming book. The publisher requires me to verify that this image is in the public domain and freely licensed. The above web page says that the image was uploaded by Asta at Russian Wikipedia and transferred to Commons by nettadi. However, Asta does not seem to have a public talk page or an e-mail address and nettadi’s talk page has a single message to him from an editor. Any assistance you may be able to offer will be greatly appreciated. Groucho777 (talk) 16:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Groucho777: Hi,
This artwork was created in the 12th century, long before copyright came to exist. So it is in the public domain, and creating a copy of a 2D artwork doesn't create a new copyright. So you can use it for your book. Yann (talk) 16:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a painting from 1337 and therefore definitely public domain. If you would want to have a proof that the file uploaded to commons is the actual one form the book you would have to ask the French National Library. GPSLeo (talk) 16:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No bearing on the copyright question but: if it is claimed both as 1337 & 12th Century, something is wrong and should be fixed. - Jmabel ! talk 17:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 12th century line was added today. @Yann: Did you mean 14th century here or do you have a source placing this in the 1100s? From Hill To Shore (talk) 18:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, fixed. I suppose that the date in the French description was wrong. There was a confusion between the date of the event and the date of the artwork. Yann (talk) 18:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weird set of license tags: to review[edit]

Someone with a better knowledge should take a look at these images:

First of them has three different PD templates, which is too much to my taste.

The second is claimed CC, while looking exactly the same. Without advice, I'm not sure vectorization (possibly even automatic) is above TOO who-knows-where.

Gabuxae (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, These are fine with {{PD-textlogo}}. I removed the non necessary licenses. Yann (talk) 17:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. As an offtopic note, current PNG version is converted from SVG, making it short of no-use even as reference original. Should it be reverted? - Gabuxae (talk) 18:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. pre-Berne ad question[edit]

As I understand it, in the U.S. before March 1, 1989, an ad in a newspaper needed a copyright notice of its own independent of the copyright notice for the newspaper. But what if the ad was for something in the same newspaper?

I recently had a chance to photograph a copy of the launch ad for the Friday Foster comic strip in the January 15, 1970 issue of the Chicago Tribune. The newspaper had the usual copyright notice on its masthead, but there is no copyright notice on the ad. Would the ad therefore fall into the public domain for lack of notice? Or does the newspaper copyright cover the ad because it is (presumably) from the same rights-holder? And (given that the ad is illustrated by the comic illustrator) does a copyright by the illustrator figure anywhere in here (I would think not, because this is clearly authorized use, so if it fails to do what is needed to retain copyright, that counts for the illustrator as well). - Jmabel ! talk 20:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Copyright Compendium says "A general notice for a collective work as a whole covers the separate contributions that it contains (regardless of ownership), except for any advertisements inserted on behalf of persons other than the copyright owner for the collective work." If the newspaper owns the ad, then it doesn't need its own copyright.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Too bad, but there we are. - Jmabel ! talk 03:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1957 Hollywood Stars cards[edit]

I'm having trouble figuring out if these cards are in the public domain. I don't see a copyright notice anywhere and, because they were published in 1957, that would mean they're in the public domain. But how does one confirm that there was no notice. What if there was some packaging for these cards that contained a copyright notice that wasn't printed on the individual cards? And if there was a notice, how would I be able to tell whether that copyright was renewed? The copyright renewal log is not the most intuitive, user-friendly site. Any advice would be appreciated. Denniscabrams (talk) 01:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright of Raising a flag over the Reichstag[edit]

The English Wikipedia article says that the famous photograph Raising a flag over the Reichstag is "public domain in Russia since January 1, 2019", although this is marked as dubious. Our file page says the photograph "was in the public domain in its home country (Russia) on the URAA date (January 1, 1996)". The photograph was published in the Soviet Union in 1945. My questions are:

  1. When did the photograph's copyright expire in Russia?
  2. When did the photograph's copyright expire in the United States? (and was it restored by the URAA?)

Nosferattus (talk) 03:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Did you read the details about the copyright status on File:Raising a flag over the Reichstag - Restoration.jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:Raising a flag over the Reichstag 2.jpg? Yann (talk) 06:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yann: Yes. Neither of those directly address the 2 questions above. I believe the photo falls under condition #4 in {{PD-Russia-1996}}, so I'm pretty sure it's PD in Russia. The law that {{PD-Russia-1996}} cites is from 2006, however, so I'm not clear on when the copyright actually expired. I'm asking so I can fix the info in the Wikipedia article (and update the File page with more specific info), not so I can nominate it for deletion. Nosferattus (talk) 20:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I read the template this photo was always public domain as made by an employee of a Soviet Union state news agency. GPSLeo (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GPSLeo: I don't think that's accurate. The dates in that section of the template are calculated using {{CURRENTYEAR}}-70 implying that such works have a copyright term of 70 years from publication, in which case it would have expired on January 1, 2016 (which disagrees with both English Wikipedia and the Commons file page). However, I read through the translations of the laws cited in the template and at Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Russia and they don't mention anything about works created for state news agencies (or any terms based on creation date for that matter). I can't figure out where this stipulation comes from or if it's accurate or not. Nosferattus (talk) 02:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clindberg has clarified things below! Nosferattus (talk) 02:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nosferattus the passage at enwiki appears to be a translation of w:ru:Знамя Победы над рейхстагом (фото Халдея)#Вопросы авторских прав. Even the citation is a translation. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the older discussions was that the copyright got restored in Russia to 70pma, and that mil.ru released it under a CC license in 2019. Because there was a CC license, not sure we tried to hunt around for an actual PD reason. Answering the questions directly is hard, because not sure there was a Soviet copyright on it when created; it was only later laws which gave it a copyright. Things have been retroactively restored to 70pma for the most part now, which would mean it could still copyrighted in Russia, but there can be all sorts of edge cases, and maybe TASS is one. @Alex Spade: usually knows those reasons inside and out. As for the U.S., it may have entered into the public domain immediately if it was published without notice (and the U.S. did not have copyright relations with the Soviet Union until the early 1970s). The question then is what was the copyright status in Russia on January 1, 1996, when they still had their older 50pma law in place. If public domain then, the U.S. copyright would not have been restored. It's also possible the "country of origin" could be difficult to determine, if it was published in other countries within 30 days of it being published in Russia. If the U.S. was one of those countries, that means the URAA wouldn't restore it regardless of status in 1996. Given the translation of TASS situation (item 4 in PD-Russia-1996), it sounds like they determined that TASS owned the copyright (makes sense), and moreover the term was limited to 70 years from publication (and not 70pma). In 1996 that term would presumably have been 50 years from publication. Not sure what the 2019 public domain date was about though, if published in 1945. But it sure looks like section 4 of PD-Russia-1996 was added after the court case in question, so it probably applies directly. Carl Lindberg (talk) 01:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would make sense as item 4 in PD-Russia-1996 isn't actually mentioned in any of the laws cited in the template. Nosferattus (talk) 02:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So if the copyright term in 1996 was 50 years after publication, it would have expired in Russia on January 1, 1996, the exact day the URAA went into force. Thus it would not have been renewed by the URAA (assuming that was otherwise possible). If the copyright was retroactively set to 70 years after publication it would have expired again on January 1, 2016 (in Russia). So the 2019 CC license was probably unnecessary, but I won't complain. Nosferattus (talk) 02:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on your explanation, I've updated the text in the English Wikipedia article so that it is more accurate. Nosferattus (talk) 02:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1936-1937 works had not received prolonged 70y term (they became PD on Jan.1, 1993). The right time limit for TASS works by Khaldei is clear - it is no later than Jan.1, 2019. The left time border is very complex - there were 4 possible copyright terms in this case: old Soviet unlimited term1st for TASS works, but it was repealed in 1992-1993 and was replaced by 50y term2nd, then 50y term was replaced by 70y non-retroactive term3rd (in 2004), then 70y non-retroactive term was replaced by 70y retroactive term4th (since Jan.1, 2008). Alex Spade (talk) 11:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
URAA-effects for Russian works are described here (in Russian). Alex Spade (talk) 09:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! That is very helpful! Nosferattus (talk) 16:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all the detailed information in this thread. Is this already mentioned in Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Russia? If not, could you please write a summary there? Thanks, Yann (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha! Also ping @GPSLeo@Yann the case file is this. Unfortunately, I cannot read Russian. Tedious to do direct translations using Google Translate mobile app. Perhaps Russian-speaking users may help here? @A.Savin and Rubin16: for comment. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's about a court decision on 14 Sep 2015 which rejected an appeal and confirmed the previous lower-instance decision. But there are no further documents available. --A.Savin 08:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can find decision in more suitable form here (in Russian). This database has free access on every working day since 20:00 to 23:59 MSK and on every holiday (May 4-5, 9, 10-11, etc.) all day long. Alex Spade (talk) 08:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scinde house[edit]

File:Scinde house.jpg was tagged as own work by User:DeletedUser93348383211, which is clearly incorrect. It may have come from here at en:MTG Hawke's Bay, where it is marked as public domain. Is that enough information to tag the image as public domain rather than own work? According to the website the photographer was Frank L Moodie (Francis Lizars Moodie), architect, and the date 1926-1931. There is more information about Moodie here. TSventon (talk) 12:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update this is public domain in New Zealand per Commons:Copyright rules by territory/New Zealand as Moodie died in 1967 (born 1884) per this so I have corrected the attribution. I don't know whether it is PD in the US. TSventon (talk) 16:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it was published before 1929, it clearly is PD in the US. However, the date range goes until 1931, and if it is from 1931 it could be copyrighted in the US until 2026. Felix QW (talk) 10:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, hopefully the file is now as up to date as it can be, given the available information. TSventon (talk) 19:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is any file from BHL (biodiversity heritage library) eligible for uploading on commons?[edit]

There are several figures from BHL that I want upload. Can I, or it is against the rules? Uploader1234567890 (talk) 16:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would depend on who the author of the figures were since European authors would be subject to copyright terms that would require them to have died before 1954. Generally anything published before 1880 will be OK, and we do have PD-old-assumed for either unknown authors or named authors that death date information cannot be found for works published before 1904. For works by American authors, works published before 1929 are all OK. Abzeronow (talk) 17:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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